Hope this helps Mary-Ann. I've been basting my quilts like this for 25 years and have yet to have a ripple on the back yet! Just discovered the Kwik Klip and love it. I’m lucky enough to have a very large kitchen island that works perfectly for basting quilts as long as it’s throw size or smaller, so I don’t have to use the floor anymore. I've basted six quilts on recently re-polished parquetry and haven't noticed any marks despite often stabbing the floor.My additional tips for new quilters are:1. Normal pins make it so hard to get through three layers.2. Duct tape has been so much better!Hope that helps!AJ. We have carpet, not floorboards, so instead of tape I use straight pins to hold my backing fabric down. The adhesive spray does not gunk up my machine. Begin with a Good Baste. it's still the best option that I have come across! I'm usually just trying to get it done at the basting stage. Thanks,AJ, for the post. And you need to open them up to use them on the next quilt, right? NOT ON THE FLOOR! C-baby, now that you say it, I can’t believe it never occurred to me! I think as long as you’re not throwing all of your weight into stabbing straight down through your quilt sandwich, your floors will be safe. Mine is a Dritz Quilter’s Floor Frame. The other good news is, we’re all in this together! Matchstick Quilting) - Suzy Quilts. Oct 8, 2016 - Explore Kris Watson's board "Spray basting a quilt" on Pinterest. Personally I prefer straight safety pins that are on the smaller side. Though I have a strong preference for a certain method (cough pin basting cough), we’ll talk about basting three different ways, as well as some tips and tricks. Thanks, Kassandra. I basically use the same process. I like the medium sized curved pins. I love all of what you’ve written. Just kept on going. Above is the Liberty and Flowers FREE quilt pattern. Thanks again! Honestly, I hate the process of spraying. Pingback: 6 Tips for Straight Line Machine Quilting (a.k.a. Lay on a table top, slide a ruler cutting mat or cheap thin plastic kitchen cutting mat under area to be pinned and you are off to the races! The book has lots of information on setting up before you even do any quilting, such as supplies like thread, pins, and needles, batting and basting a quilt, machine settings, etc. Try to use tape that is at least 2-inches thick. Hi, I’m new to quilting. I haven’t found it to be too bothersome to remove pins as I quilt. I usually use both- basting spray and (fewer) pins, but I wonder if there is a reason not to use basting spray. Oh that's great! I have a bigger area on hard wood but have been afraid of ruining my floor. When you mention using “thick” tape, do you just mean wide instead of narrow? There’s even a video. I tell myself that it's a good way to stay young. The best part is that it’s not hard https://suzyquilts.com/how-to-sew-binding-on-a-quilt/. It looks as though you quilted lines on your top fabric before quilting the sandwich together. They looked interesting so I had to buy me a pair and I have to say I LOVE them!!! Your tutorial is great and shows how important it is to take you time with this step! I dread this part of making a quilt and I know I never use enough pins...seeing how lovely yours looks after makes me see what a difference taking a bit more time makes. Is that to add decoration to your finished product? Although basting can feel like work at times, it has to be done, and it has to be done well. I am careful not to push the pins hard into the floor. I pin basted my very first quilt, and now have all of these little holes in my fabric pieces Do you have any recommendations how to get rid of all of these little holes? I have done the pin basting on carpet but not on hard wood or vinyl. :(I was surprised you use duct tape. Great post! The quilt sandwich is made up of the quilt top, the batting, and the quilt's backing. I use three boards on a 6 foot folding table. Must invest in some of those safety pins as I have to tack and that is no fun. Will get more before next project. It’s fun and not boring! I pin baste just like you do and love my kwik klip!! New to sewing? Basting a quilt properly is key to a successful, professional, and pucker-free finished quilt. Thank you. Note, basting pins are inexplicably sold in relatively small numbers as I discovered when doing my first quilt, so if you’re into quilts that you can actually sleep under, you might want to grab a couple of packets of them when you’re starting out, you’re going to need a few hundred. The additional height means I don't have to bend over so far and makes for more comfort. Awesome tutorial. P.S. I also have used painter's tape which is fine in the winter, but not effective in summer humidity. I understand everyone's worry about that--I was afraid the first time I did it. (Little secret between you and me...I kinda like basting. Lol Who does that? Helps a lot. The quilter is in total control of the motion. If you’re pulling it as tight as possible and taping that to the floor, chances are it’s too tight. Thanks. They should be roughly the same size. Do I read correctly that you never close the pins when you baste or only after you open them after unpinning?, I left them open all through the the process. I am unsure of how to sew the corners of the outside. The key to prevent shifting when using basting spray is to iron the quilt on both sides after it’s spray basted. Skip to 4 minutes into the video if you're a little ADD like me. See more ideas about basting a quilt, quilting techniques, quilting tutorials. Yes I tried this - on the floor method - but my knees don't allow it anymore. How to Machine Quilt. If you’re finding that painter’s tape just isn’t strong enough on the surface you’re working on, switch to, Store all your pins in a box, and LEAVE THEM ALL OPEN. is there a trick?Pam. Some people use this method with safety pins (instead of thread basting, which is featured in this video) mostly because the aftermath is less messy and it's probably a bit faster. Takes longer maybe? In the beginning of FMQing I was always in a hurry. I think basting guns are pretty annoying, but could be a good option if you have back or knew issues and basting with pins or spray is too labor intensive. Hey Em, I’m not sure I fully understand the question. For all those inquiring minds, I pin baste on hardwood and haven't scratched it yet. And that pins get in the way of ironing(though I made it work)! Thank you for any help you can give. )…so, you’re points on why you don’t like it totally hit home with me! Check out the Quilting 101 tab for everything you need to know to start your first quilt! Thanks for the interest! Great question…to tell you the truth I have a tub of safety pins that are all different size, shapes and ages. Great tips! What I would like to know is, the best way to secure the edges after the quilt is finished. Everything is so clear. So, that's how I baste a quilt. That is one drawback with pin basting. I can't wait for the next part about what its like when you machine quilt it. Pingback: Thrive Quilt Pattern: Grab Your Fat Quarters - Suzy Quilts, As soon as I read your very passionate note about leaving the pins open, I immediately ripped open my new pack of pins and unpinned them all as an activity for my hands while I read the rest of the article . feeling excited! I’ve been meaning to give spray basting a go, but have been worried about getting that stuff everywhere, and the fumes in the winter (-20 is not ideal for having windows open for any stretch of time! I have a suspicion I'm doing it wrong and want to see! If you feel silly because you didn’t know that, no worries; it’s actually a common question sewing machine dealers hear all the time. i believe i’m won over by pin basting…due to my cheapness as well as disdain for cleaning up stick stuff… and I don’t have a sweet table to lay the quilt on. (Don't all groan at once! makes so much sense!!!!! I’m so happy you included board basting in your how-to! As a cancer survivor, I don't like breathing in anything toxic. The three layers of your quilt sandwich need to be temporarily held together ready for quilting, whether by hand or machine, to stop the layers sliding around. Bang on! I am making the queen size rocksteady quilt as a wedding gift . https://crazymomquilts.blogspot.com/.../machine-quilting-101-basting.html I have thread basted since my first quilt about 10 years ago and still prefer this method. I learn something new each time. Although, unlike you, it’s still my least favourite step in the quilting journey Podcasts and music do make it somewhat more enjoyable! Your video on basting with the herring bone stitch I think is my option for sandwiching, but should I have as much edge as it indicates to begin with, before trimming? Then once the quilting is completed, you will trim the excess off (also called squaring up the quilt) – so that the top, batting, & backing are all the same size….Then you begin the binding process. Hobbs Brand make. I really liked how you explained how you line up the layers. I'm terrified I'm going to mess it up when I start doing all this fun stuff! You are an inspiration to us all Amanda, many thanks. The smell,stickiness and cost... and then when I have to lift it all up to fix a bubble... no fun. Since I am older, getting down on the floor is not a good option for me. She got me hooked on this method. I have always used "good" masking tape (the cheap brands never work) and sometimes the masking tape doesn't stick to the fabric. I add a Kwik Klip to the process to save my finger tips. Remove the tape from the floor (I usually enlist my kids to do that) and carefully fold up the quilt until you are ready to actually quilt it. You may have heard some rumors about this method, but note how many quilts I make on a regular basis and that this is the only basting method I have used since 2013. Okay, maybe I will get brave and pin baste. I have a tupperware with a jumble of three different brands so I can’t say for sure what is what. Great tutorial. Genius! Whether you're an experienced quilter or you're just getting started, machine quilting can seem intimidating at first. If you scratch the area with your fingernail or wash the quilt, all of those holes will magically disappear! Maybe we’ll catch each other there! Thank You again, for sharing your knowledge on this! Not sure if that makes a difference. HA! Learn how to hand baste a quilt top. Hi Suzy! Old rug hooks, or big crochet hooks work great to close pins. That works great for baby quilts and throws, and it gives me a great chance to talk to people about quilts. Here at SQ you will find free sewing tutorials, product reviews, basic how-to’s, design inspiration, and quilt patterns geared toward you – the chic, modern quilter! I’m a mold-breaker in one way, but traditional in others. I also want to thank all the people who wrote comments; I've learned from them as well.Keep up the good work Amanda! This video shows you how to use two boards to keep your sandwich layers set for quilting. Thanks so much I’ll just wander the store to see what I find Do you have curved pins? :) I fold it up like a screen and leave it behind a door! I know I need to slow down. But the body getting older and tired has made me baste only one way, horizontal about every 3″ and then my son comes and pin bastes in between every 4 – 5″ the other way. Thanks for the info! To make sure you hold that sandwich in place, you are going to want to place a pin at least every four inches in rows throughout the quilt. ha! I tried to watch your tutorial video on that, but unfortunately, where I live the internet isn’t great so I can’t get it to play! Let’s get started. I’m definitely bookmarking this post for when I decide to embark on my first quilt. I do the same process as well. Hence looking for a new way to baste . What are your experiences with basting spray? If you are using a solid fabric, each side is reversible, so you’re good!). Pin basting versus spray. I, too, have a quilt that is very similar and is pinned and ready to go, but I am not sure how to proceed..thanks! Thanks! Does it even matter?? That was helpful! I’m afraid once I start quilting I’ll have to stop every few seconds just to take a pin out! you may want to give that a try?Hope that helps!AJ, limivadygirl,brands of duct tape vary quite a bit. I look forward to your next step and wonder how you would machine quilt the top that you just basted (in-the ditch, stipple, etc?)? I use it because it’s a great method and works for me very well. Ok, so this might be obvious… but I am only on my 2nd quilt and the first was a baby quilt! Excellent explanation of the sandwich/basting technique. Thanks! I only so fr make small cot/ lap quilts and stitch in ditch. Suzy! However, it is a … I have hardwood floors. Thanks for the nice explanation. I don’t usually pin baste my landscape quilts when I top stitch, but I’m starting to make larger ones, which and so some kind of basting seems like a good idea. It's hard to improve perfection ;) but as well as smoothing the top out with your hands try sliding a 24" ruler around. I am thinking this might be why I tend to have little ripples next to my stitch lines. I use 3M green masking tape for hard to stick surfaces for taping down my backing. I think they slide through the layers the best. LOL! So happy to have read this post, because I've got a top and back ready for basting tomorrow, and a roll of duct tape in the utility closet. Hey Terri! Have you had any problems with reside on your quilt? It stills seems to be working for me. :) I would also add that GOOD safety pins for basting cannot be overemphasized...you may have never tried to baste with cruddy ones, but I have and it is maddening! I am also new to quilting. I baste my quilts in my front entryway, so before I get started I remove all rugs and (kinda sorta) clean my floor. If you are new to quilting it can be hard to know where to start, and disappointing to finish a quilt only to notice the back is full of puckers and folds. This thread washes out completely after your quilt is complete. If you don’t have a Kwik Klip, a small metal crochet hook works like a charm. You have to open them up to remove them from your quilt, right? I clamp one of those card board cutting mats you can get at Joann's or Hancock's to the table and the board has toothpicks taped to the middle like cross hairs and then at toothpick at the edge of the cardboard in the middle of each side. Tape all sides of the backing to the floor, making sure to smooth out all of the wrinkles. Her’e’s the link, but feel free to remove it from the post if there are restrictions on your site. Until I saw the picture, I thought “thin” was regarding the thickness of the tape rather than the width. Take one of your safety pins and scratch the floor lightly and then gradually harder. I do spray liberally but not excessively. The machine's feed dogs are lowered when you use free motion machine quilting techniques, so nothing is in place under the quilt sandwich to guide it along. They should be pressed, but here’s a shortcut for you, because I too have a toddler and understand the need for shortcuts. Thank you for this series. I tried spray basting and it just doesn't work for me. Glad you are back to the 101 series. I pin baste as well but not on my floor. May I suggest you use the words “narrow” or “wide” for the tape to be used. And most days they are in a complete tangle. The good news is, when it comes to basting, you have some options. When I layer I use these toothpicks to keep everything centered and lined up. Did this quilt pattern ever come out? If I’m basting a quilt, I’m pin basting. I use the board method and I use thread to baste the layers together. Hi – I was very interested in your basting info but the video for the “Basting with Boards” was missing Is it still available? Buy proper quilting pins with a curve. See more ideas about basting a quilt, basting, quilts. Thank you so much for all you do! You can also spray the backside of the layers separately and then bring them inside to assemble. I am making a bed-sized quilt now and several experienced advisors (bless you for your love and sharing) have instructed us to make the backing 4 inches all around larger than the pieced top. For larger quilts, I slide it to the top and then slide it under the quilt to the bottom for pinning. I love all of your tutorials, thank you! ), This is really helpful, thank you. I imagine those lines running across the top of the quilt (as shown by the lines in the photo). Sometimes I recommend products, and if you click on those links, I may earn a small commission. In this installment, Dawn describes how to baste a quilt sandwich with pins to prepare it for machine quilting. Like a few others, I've been concerned about the pins ruining the finish on my hardwood floors, so I slide a cutting mat around under the quilt when pinning. I’m loving that purple and mustard triangle quilt – which pattern is that, please? A few weeks ago The Quilt Show had a link to a You Tube video where a woman used pool noodles with dowels in them (instead of boards). I picked up a few 'refinements' to make basting a fun - no, wait - more pleasant experience. It’s been a lot of fun exploring new techniques and styles of quilting. Thanks again for sharing your talents. oh dear, I try to read your tips until the end but your triangle quilts distracted me (in a good way , of course!) No overspray on the floor and does a great job. I am really looking forward to the actual quilting. Looked like it might work well. Some of them do leave a bit of residue on the fabric, but some don't. And your explanation made perfect sense by the way! How to Machine Quilt a Diagonal Set. So far it is ok but I still am getting puckers on top. Just wondering what stitch you used on the first quilt. DO NOT machine quilt these lines out from the center as that would distort your quilt. That is my point of reference. Anytime I quilt, I like to do it through all three layers so that I get that added dimension. Just binder clip the back to the table sides. If I’m going to machine quilt along the seams of my quilt top, is it good, bad, or no difference to pin baste at the seams (vs avoiding pinning in the places I’ll be quilting)? Pingback: How to Make the Softest Baby Quilt in the World - Suzy Quilts, Pingback: FREE Quilted Christmas Stocking Pattern - Suzy Quilts. Randomly lay the palm of your hand on your quilt. Thanks again! Place the batting on top of the backing fabric and trim it to fit. PS…I live in Texas, but am headed back to the Chicago area for a few weeks. Spray Basting with Christa Watson. Good tutorial! I do use those scraps eventually, and I haven't had a problem with it as of yet. I'm impressed with your boatload of pins too. Ooops, looks like we were commenting at the same time. I have room on my lower level, where I put folding tables together to layer my quilts. Washing the quilt removes the thread basting…, Water soluble thread is new to me! Use a smallish 12” x 18” rotary cutting mat under the quilt area you are pin basting, to save floor or table from scratches and just slide it along. I guess the fabric was treated with something. Fancy quilts will be done with thread basting every 3 inches. Fingers crossed :). Thank you for being my quilt whisperer with all these really helpful posts! That's exactly what I do except I can't do it down on the floor any more. Matchstick Quilting) - Suzy Quilts, https://suzyquilts.com/how-to-sew-binding-on-a-quilt/, https://www.joann.com/floor-quilt-frame/4794046.html#q=quilt%2Bframe&start=1, Quilting Technique Questions – Answered: Part III - Suzy Quilts, How to Make the Softest Baby Quilt in the World - Suzy Quilts, FREE Quilted Christmas Stocking Pattern - Suzy Quilts, Thrive Quilt Pattern: Grab Your Fat Quarters - Suzy Quilts, Gather Quilt Pattern: Total HST Madness! Good luck with the quilting! For decades quilters only had their hands, a needle and thread as tools for putting quilts together. I use a smooth wooden yardstick to help smooth my batting out and after I get the top laid out I press it gently before I pin baste. Or do you just have straight safety pins? That’s amazing that you were able to quilt without securing the pins closed! xo. I’m LOVING it! Quilt Basting is VERY Important. Enjoy the rest of the week. My favorite method is exactly yours. Before you ever sit down at your sewing machine, quilt sandwich in hand, make sure you begin with a good baste. I had a go today, there are just soooooo many! Hints and tips to help as well! If you forget and only spray baste the top to the batting, guess what? I tried a small one before but do not think that I used enough pins. , Hahaha Quilts sandwiches are the yummiest of sandwiches. I’ve also heard that long arm quilters will baste for a small fee. Double sided fusible batting . These tables have home built risers to make them about waist high. To make sure you hold that sandwich in place, you are going to want to place a pin at least every four inches in rows throughout the quilt. . Spray basting is an excellent choice for machine … Depending on how densely you quilt it, you can lose an inch or two during the process. I am currently working on my second quilt. Layering them and getting them ready to be bound forever in quilt matrimony is a reeeallly important step. Awesome! It doesn't cause any problem with puckers either! This is the way I do it but it sure is getting harder as I am getting older to get down on my knees. (I go back and forth on which I like better, so I tend to use both…maybe less hand fatigue by changing the size of the grip?). No matter how you baste a quilt, you have to create your quilt sandwich first. I dont prefer the safety pin method, they left holes in my quilt and were in the way when i started quilting…. Try this direct link – https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=HyaLsMafElo, What are your thoughts on using water soluble thread for machine basting once the safety pins are in? I'm a pin baster too! At 55 years old, I don’t WANT to crawl around on the floor to baste my quilts anymore. I'm glad to see someone else still pin bastes. It looks like hand stitching so beautiful. God bless you always and in all ways. Thank you for the tip to use duct tape. All sewing machines have a basting stitch. You ROCK! I learned a lot this afternoon.Thanky you so much. Amanda Jean, I really appreciate all your articles in this series. This tutorial will show you 3 different ways to baste a quilt. It works very well and no crawling on the floor! Sign Up for the Newsletter, Get a Free Pattern! I have a question: Do all spray bastes have to be washed/rinsed out? I do plan on being at QuilCon in Pasadena this up coming February, though. These size 3 pins would be a good size. I laughed at your comment about basting keeping you young! I am 75 and the floor thing does not work for me. Also, amen to the kwik klip! So far, it has worked for me, but it would be a whole lot easier not to hassle with that! I’m able to smooth out as I go along. You can learn more about that here. I am with a child at the moment and would like to make a few baby quilts to prepare. Thank you. This is very comprehensive and very easy to understand! The steps you take to make a quilt sandwich depend on the type of quilting (by hand or machine) that is planned for the project. The legs are adjustable so it can be set at a comfortable height. The world may never know, haha. You can do it on a design wall (which is a great way to not spend time on your hands and knees on the floor.). With a quilt top, if you stretch it too tight you can see the seams pull and look stressed. The blue tape just doesn't want to hold when is gets a bit humid. Anyone have experience with that? Spray it with a little water – this will make the fold creases relax. That's the main time when I know I am getting old! It may look like that, but that’s a technique I haven’t tried. So happy to help! Which leads to me ask…how do you avoid scratching your wooden floors while pin basting? That can’t be avoided, but once you have the backing and batting down, lay the quilt top down and lightly mist any creased areas with more water. 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